Comments on: An open response to President Hitt’s Letter http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/ Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:52:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: kyle http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1255 kyle Mon, 05 Dec 2005 08:08:58 +0000 http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1255 <p>well vfc or vcf - whichever you prefer - i appreciate the more coherent response without the useless language - you're wrong on the 'anyone on this site has any experience in law enforcement' a really good freind of mine who frequents the site has at least 10 years of state law enforcement experience, its seems you have made a lot of assumptions about the site and the people here, as well as their opinions. i agree with many of your points, and my intention on the article was not to doubt ofc jenkins at all, as i clearly stated i did not know many details. i actually re-read some of the article that focused around the bit about ofc jenkins, i did not see anywhere questioning what he did or his reaction, not that i neccasarily think it was the best course of action, but hindsight is 20/20 and you are right, in that situation, it is very difficult to always properly assess a situation - if you reread the article particularly the title, my complaint, which was quite in line with a topic you brought up, the cooperation bewtween UCF and OPD, was focuses solely around the organization and execution of this procedure. jenkins should have had backup, OPD should have known his presence attire and location and been assiting in the results of him stirring the ants nest of drunken students. i will disregard the fact you entertained my satirical crack at how many bullets he was going to go through into the mob. and just to clear things up, i don't condone the student's behaoir either, i abstain from alcohol personally, and treat police officers with the respect that they duly deserve, i do not appreciate that a poorly piloted procedure scapegoats a common practice that goes on elsewhere week after week without incident because of some politician's arrogance an unwillingness to accept a modicum of blame. lastly i might recommend that you clean your posts of logical fallacies, which were abundant, if you want to tout that little quip about bush, that is of course unless you are saying you voted for bush. honestly, cattle herd mentality crack on a post questioning authority. whats that about logic?</p> well vfc or vcf - whichever you prefer - i appreciate the more coherent response without the useless language - you’re wrong on the ‘anyone on this site has any experience in law enforcement’ a really good freind of mine who frequents the site has at least 10 years of state law enforcement experience, its seems you have made a lot of assumptions about the site and the people here, as well as their opinions. i agree with many of your points, and my intention on the article was not to doubt ofc jenkins at all, as i clearly stated i did not know many details. i actually re-read some of the article that focused around the bit about ofc jenkins, i did not see anywhere questioning what he did or his reaction, not that i neccasarily think it was the best course of action, but hindsight is 20/20 and you are right, in that situation, it is very difficult to always properly assess a situation - if you reread the article particularly the title, my complaint, which was quite in line with a topic you brought up, the cooperation bewtween UCF and OPD, was focuses solely around the organization and execution of this procedure. jenkins should have had backup, OPD should have known his presence attire and location and been assiting in the results of him stirring the ants nest of drunken students. i will disregard the fact you entertained my satirical crack at how many bullets he was going to go through into the mob. and just to clear things up, i don’t condone the student’s behaoir either, i abstain from alcohol personally, and treat police officers with the respect that they duly deserve, i do not appreciate that a poorly piloted procedure scapegoats a common practice that goes on elsewhere week after week without incident because of some politician’s arrogance an unwillingness to accept a modicum of blame. lastly i might recommend that you clean your posts of logical fallacies, which were abundant, if you want to tout that little quip about bush, that is of course unless you are saying you voted for bush. honestly, cattle herd mentality crack on a post questioning authority. whats that about logic?

]]> By: VFC http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1231 VFC Thu, 01 Dec 2005 12:11:26 +0000 http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1231 <p>Kyle, To comment on the bullets situation. The Glock 17 law enforcement double stack magazines which are the weapons and magazines used by the UCF police department carry a total of 18 rounds. 17 in the magazine one in the pipe. Aslo, it is standard practice to carry atleast one back up magazine when working undercover... bringing the total number of rounds to 35. 35/20=1.75 just some simple math for you.</p> <p>Is alcohol totally to blame for this tragedy? No of course not. The effect that alcohol has on people coupled with the mob mentality and the apparent lack of consience or respect is what is to blame.</p> <p>Shooting an unarmed suspect (not student) the second you attack someone you become a suspect...the shooting of the suspect was 100 % justified because he attacked Ofc. Jenkins from behind and attempted to take his gun. Guess what happens when an unarmed suspect succeeds in taking a police officer's gun? They become an ARMED suspect. More police officers are killed with there own guns each year then any other weapon. This is because a criminal does not have to worry about training, restraint, backdrop. Hesitation can be deadly. Ofc. Jenkins new he was surounded by a hostile croud. He knew that after he had properly identified himself as a police officer, someone was attacking him and trying to take his gun. Do you know what the worst witness in the world is? Intoxicated eye witnesses. Due to the stress and confusion of the moment, I garantee that nearly every "eyewitness" statement will contain many different variations of the perceived truth.</p> <p>As far as the using the radio for back up? Well not all of you know this and why would you but relying as heavily on Motorola as I do, I know for a fact that the State band that motorola uses has many many dead spots near the Citrus Bowl. I also know that Nextel experiences the same problems in that area so there is a BIG question mark of whether or not Ofc. Jenkins was able to get out on either. People watch a lot of tv and movies and seem to think that its as simple as that. Just remember that every actor who shoots a gun or is confronted by "bad guys" gets as many takes as they need and never has to worry about losing their life or protecting another's life while acting.</p> <p>"WILL"... I'm glad you know how long it takes to hit the push to talk on a radio and how quickly you can draw a concealed weapon. When was the last time you were confronted by 20 angry, drunk, non-cooperative, violent people all of whom knowing you are a cop and not caring... while trying to draw you concealed weapon, push the talk button, and make sure that the guy jumping on you from behind doesn't take your gun and kill you with it? But yeah I'm Sure Ofc. Jenkins had plenty of time to say "hey guys relax, everythings cool" Everything was NOT cool. Ofc. Jenkins did not fire warning shots. If any shots were fired in the air and not into his assailant where they belonged, it was because there was a struggle for the gun.</p> <p>Finally about better cooperation between OPD and UCF. Absolutely that is key. Especially when you have an under cover operation with multi agencies. ABT, UCF, OPD were colaborating in this operation and obviously there was a lack of communication between agencies. Is this Ofc. Jenkins responsibilty/faul? For the issue of communication you need to look at the policies and procedures in place for multi-departmental operations. Ofc Jenkins was not in charge of the operation nor was he responsible for writing the policies.</p> <p>This will be my last entry at this site. Thank you for letting me share my views and opinions. Each of my entries are based solely on my opinions and experience. Just remember...most of the people that visit this site are young adults with very little life experience. NO ONE has the right to Judge Ofc. Jenkins for his actions because they were not there in his shoes that day and I doubt very very much that anyone on this site has any experience as a law enforcement officer. (not anyone who would question Ofc. Jenkins' actions anyway)</p> <p><em>In a country that would elect Bush jr. twice, I'm not surprised by the cattle herd mentality nor the loss of logic in today's society</em></p> <p>Happy Holidays!</p> Kyle,
To comment on the bullets situation. The Glock 17 law enforcement double stack magazines which are the weapons and magazines used by the UCF police department carry a total of 18 rounds. 17 in the magazine one in the pipe. Aslo, it is standard practice to carry atleast one back up magazine when working undercover… bringing the total number of rounds to 35. 35/20=1.75 just some simple math for you.

Is alcohol totally to blame for this tragedy? No of course not. The effect that alcohol has on people coupled with the mob mentality and the apparent lack of consience or respect is what is to blame.

Shooting an unarmed suspect (not student) the second you attack someone you become a suspect…the shooting of the suspect was 100 % justified because he attacked Ofc. Jenkins from behind and attempted to take his gun. Guess what happens when an unarmed suspect succeeds in taking a police officer’s gun? They become an ARMED suspect. More police officers are killed with there own guns each year then any other weapon. This is because a criminal does not have to worry about training, restraint, backdrop. Hesitation can be deadly. Ofc. Jenkins new he was surounded by a hostile croud. He knew that after he had properly identified himself as a police officer, someone was attacking him and trying to take his gun. Do you know what the worst witness in the world is? Intoxicated eye witnesses. Due to the stress and confusion of the moment, I garantee that nearly every “eyewitness” statement will contain many different variations of the perceived truth.

As far as the using the radio for back up? Well not all of you know this and why would you but relying as heavily on Motorola as I do, I know for a fact that the State band that motorola uses has many many dead spots near the Citrus Bowl. I also know that Nextel experiences the same problems in that area so there is a BIG question mark of whether or not Ofc. Jenkins was able to get out on either. People watch a lot of tv and movies and seem to think that its as simple as that. Just remember that every actor who shoots a gun or is confronted by “bad guys” gets as many takes as they need and never has to worry about losing their life or protecting another’s life while acting.

“WILL”… I’m glad you know how long it takes to hit the push to talk on a radio and how quickly you can draw a concealed weapon. When was the last time you were confronted by 20 angry, drunk, non-cooperative, violent people all of whom knowing you are a cop and not caring… while trying to draw you concealed weapon, push the talk button, and make sure that the guy jumping on you from behind doesn’t take your gun and kill you with it? But yeah I’m Sure Ofc. Jenkins had plenty of time to say “hey guys relax, everythings cool” Everything was NOT cool. Ofc. Jenkins did not fire warning shots. If any shots were fired in the air and not into his assailant where they belonged, it was because there was a struggle for the gun.

Finally about better cooperation between OPD and UCF. Absolutely that is key. Especially when you have an under cover operation with multi agencies. ABT, UCF, OPD were colaborating in this operation and obviously there was a lack of communication between agencies. Is this Ofc. Jenkins responsibilty/faul? For the issue of communication you need to look at the policies and procedures in place for multi-departmental operations. Ofc Jenkins was not in charge of the operation nor was he responsible for writing the policies.

This will be my last entry at this site. Thank you for letting me share my views and opinions. Each of my entries are based solely on my opinions and experience. Just remember…most of the people that visit this site are young adults with very little life experience. NO ONE has the right to Judge Ofc. Jenkins for his actions because they were not there in his shoes that day and I doubt very very much that anyone on this site has any experience as a law enforcement officer. (not anyone who would question Ofc. Jenkins’ actions anyway)

In a country that would elect Bush jr. twice, I’m not surprised by the cattle herd mentality nor the loss of logic in today’s society

Happy Holidays!

]]> By: Will http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1229 Will Thu, 01 Dec 2005 08:18:28 +0000 http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1229 <p>I agree that people NEED TO employ better judgement when drinking...</p> <p>Sorry, typo and there's no edit button.</p> I agree that people NEED TO employ better judgement when drinking…

Sorry, typo and there’s no edit button.

]]> By: Will http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1227 Will Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:26:47 +0000 http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1227 <p>Let me dive into this... First of all, VFC said, "I’m sure you would probably talk your way out of a group of angry, attacking, drunk idiots(...)" If Ofc Jenkins HAD done this things would be different today.</p> <p>VFC, do you actually think that pulling out his weapon and firing shots into the air in the middle of a crowd was Ofc Jenkins' best course of action? I'm sure he knew full well that he was ununiformed and to the OPD officers patrolling the area, that were uninformed of the undercover UCFPD officers, he just looked like a man with a gun fighting with some kids? Could communication be at fault here? Maybe if UFCPD and OPD had worked together better in setting up this undercover sting operation we would not be arguing over internet about this. What if Ofc. Jenkins had called for backup when began to see the situation escalating instead of drawing his weapon? VFC, you'd probably say something along the lines of "HEY HOW MUCH TRAINING DO YOU HAVE? NONE? YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING THEN." But I DO know how long it takes hit the push to talk button on a radio, how long it takes to draw a concealed weapon, and how long it takes to say, "Alright everyone calm down." I assure you it takes the same amount of time to do each.</p> <p>I agree that the loss of Ofc Jenkins is very sad; I drive by the UCF Police Station on my way to class everyday and I was reminded of it every time I passed by (with the band on the station sign and Ofc Jenkins' patrol car parked in front). This still does not justify President Hitt's use of alcohol as the scapegoat in this situation. I agree that people employ better judgement when drinking, especially in public places where mob mentality comes into play, but simply placing the blame of the entire situation squarely on alcohol is absurd. Yes alsohol was a factor, but poor judgement on both Ofc Jenkins, the students involved, and the OPD officer outweigh that factor. What if the kids were rowdy and excited about the football game? I know for a fact that even sober, people are easy to stir up if you badmouthed their team of choice, especially in mobs. What would you blame if Ofc. Jenkins had caused the situation by doing such? Football? If you were President Hitt it seems like you would.</p> <p>So I'm sorry if I sound as if I were "talking out of my ass" but maybe I'm not the one who needs to rethink their side of this argument.</p> Let me dive into this…
First of all, VFC said, “I’m sure you would probably talk your way out of a group of angry, attacking, drunk idiots(…)” If Ofc Jenkins HAD done this things would be different today.

VFC, do you actually think that pulling out his weapon and firing shots into the air in the middle of a crowd was Ofc Jenkins’ best course of action? I’m sure he knew full well that he was ununiformed and to the OPD officers patrolling the area, that were uninformed of the undercover UCFPD officers, he just looked like a man with a gun fighting with some kids? Could communication be at fault here? Maybe if UFCPD and OPD had worked together better in setting up this undercover sting operation we would not be arguing over internet about this. What if Ofc. Jenkins had called for backup when began to see the situation escalating instead of drawing his weapon? VFC, you’d probably say something along the lines of “HEY HOW MUCH TRAINING DO YOU HAVE? NONE? YOU CAN’T SAY ANYTHING THEN.” But I DO know how long it takes hit the push to talk button on a radio, how long it takes to draw a concealed weapon, and how long it takes to say, “Alright everyone calm down.” I assure you it takes the same amount of time to do each.

I agree that the loss of Ofc Jenkins is very sad; I drive by the UCF Police Station on my way to class everyday and I was reminded of it every time I passed by (with the band on the station sign and Ofc Jenkins’ patrol car parked in front). This still does not justify President Hitt’s use of alcohol as the scapegoat in this situation. I agree that people employ better judgement when drinking, especially in public places where mob mentality comes into play, but simply placing the blame of the entire situation squarely on alcohol is absurd. Yes alsohol was a factor, but poor judgement on both Ofc Jenkins, the students involved, and the OPD officer outweigh that factor. What if the kids were rowdy and excited about the football game? I know for a fact that even sober, people are easy to stir up if you badmouthed their team of choice, especially in mobs. What would you blame if Ofc. Jenkins had caused the situation by doing such? Football? If you were President Hitt it seems like you would.

So I’m sorry if I sound as if I were “talking out of my ass” but maybe I’m not the one who needs to rethink their side of this argument.

]]> By: kyle http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1226 kyle Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:59:28 +0000 http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1226 <p>btw, i don't mind if you post, but keep the language up and ill exercise my right to clean it up. there is no place for foul language in a mature discussion.</p> btw, i don’t mind if you post, but keep the language up and ill exercise my right to clean it up. there is no place for foul language in a mature discussion.

]]> By: kyle http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1225 kyle Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:58:27 +0000 http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1225 <p>well i fail to see how shooting an unarmed student and getting himself killed can be considered flawless. but since i have never been a cop, that must mean logic has no place here. also, you suggest shooting the assailant was the proper course of action, but with 10-20 assailants and fewer bullets, it doesn't seem like a reasonable course of action. ill reply more later. gotta study for my electronics exam.</p> well i fail to see how shooting an unarmed student and getting himself killed can be considered flawless. but since i have never been a cop, that must mean logic has no place here. also, you suggest shooting the assailant was the proper course of action, but with 10-20 assailants and fewer bullets, it doesn’t seem like a reasonable course of action. ill reply more later. gotta study for my electronics exam.

]]> By: VCF http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1223 VCF Thu, 01 Dec 2005 01:17:22 +0000 http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1223 <p>Kyle, I'm glad you were able to get a good laugh out of this tragedy. I fail to see how many bullets Ofc. Jenkins had in his weapon, makes a difference. I'm wondering, since you thought it was such a funny comment about Ofc Jenkins performing his duties flawlessly, how long have you been a police officer or anyone who would ever be expected to put their life on the line to protect others and uphold the law? How much training do you have to make a judgement at a split second when your life is on the line? I'm sorry if you don't like foul language on your site but I have a feeling that you would probably shit your pants and drool on yourself if ever attacked by a crowd. I'm sure you would probably talk your way out of a group of angry, attacking, drunk idiots and I'm sure that if you could control your bowels, wipe away the drool, and manage to get out a few words to try and "diffuse the situation" that you would most certainly get your ass seriously hurt or killed. As far as the OPD Ofc. I have no ill will toward him even though it was his bullets that killed my friend. I have COMPLETE AND TOTAL ILL WILL toward the drunk pieces of crap that attacked Mario in the first place and forced him to resort to deadly force in order to protect himself. I hope you find yourself in the same situation one day and are expected under color of law to react and maintain the peace and I hope that you are terrified but still compelled by duty to respond. I hope that you are man enough to admit that you were wrong and that you were simply acting like an uninformed civillian who thought they knew something that they really had no clue about. I am a big supporter of free speech and I must say that anything you write back or anything anyone else writes on this site is entirely their opinion and their right to express. However, I would urge people to not speak out of their asses and actually think before writing. If you don't know the details and the ins and outs of a situation, you should try to learn more about it before making off handed remarks.</p> Kyle,
I’m glad you were able to get a good laugh out of this tragedy. I fail to see how many bullets Ofc. Jenkins had in his weapon, makes a difference. I’m wondering, since you thought it was such a funny comment about Ofc Jenkins performing his duties flawlessly, how long have you been a police officer or anyone who would ever be expected to put their life on the line to protect others and uphold the law? How much training do you have to make a judgement at a split second when your life is on the line? I’m sorry if you don’t like foul language on your site but I have a feeling that you would probably shit your pants and drool on yourself if ever attacked by a crowd. I’m sure you would probably talk your way out of a group of angry, attacking, drunk idiots and I’m sure that if you could control your bowels, wipe away the drool, and manage to get out a few words to try and “diffuse the situation” that you would most certainly get your ass seriously hurt or killed. As far as the OPD Ofc. I have no ill will toward him even though it was his bullets that killed my friend. I have COMPLETE AND TOTAL ILL WILL toward the drunk pieces of crap that attacked Mario in the first place and forced him to resort to deadly force in order to protect himself. I hope you find yourself in the same situation one day and are expected under color of law to react and maintain the peace and I hope that you are terrified but still compelled by duty to respond. I hope that you are man enough to admit that you were wrong and that you were simply acting like an uninformed civillian who thought they knew something that they really had no clue about. I am a big supporter of free speech and I must say that anything you write back or anything anyone else writes on this site is entirely their opinion and their right to express. However, I would urge people to not speak out of their asses and actually think before writing. If you don’t know the details and the ins and outs of a situation, you should try to learn more about it before making off handed remarks.

]]> By: kyle http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1222 kyle Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:46:54 +0000 http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1222 <p>although i don't appreciate the use of foul language on my site, ill respect the fact VCF made an attempt at an intelligent response; anyway i couldn't help passing up such funny stuff. i mean, honestly "Mario Jenkins was doing his job flawlessly." lawl !</p> <p>I never said Ofc Jenkins was not honest, hardworking, or loyal, i dont think his personality or character was ever in question, it certainly wasn't by me as I have and never will meet him. If that is the best training in the force, they need to leave it to professionals, because situations do arise, it is the nature of a dangerous job, those situations should certainly be handled differently than in this tragedy, for the studentss and officers' sakes. any idiot knows to diffuse a situation when outnumbered, not throw blackpowder on it, pun intended. wait, did you say 10-20 assailants? how many bullets did he have? so what was the plan again?</p> <p>Don't get me wrong, i support the UCF PD but i also support OPD's officer who I think remembered his primary goal better then others that day. I will however take leave of my support, at times, to point out obvious problems with some institutions, this is one of those times.</p> although i don’t appreciate the use of foul language on my site, ill respect the fact VCF made an attempt at an intelligent response; anyway i couldn’t help passing up such funny stuff. i mean, honestly “Mario Jenkins was doing his job flawlessly.” lawl !

I never said Ofc Jenkins was not honest, hardworking, or loyal, i dont think his personality or character was ever in question, it certainly wasn’t by me as I have and never will meet him. If that is the best training in the force, they need to leave it to professionals, because situations do arise, it is the nature of a dangerous job, those situations should certainly be handled differently than in this tragedy, for the studentss and officers’ sakes. any idiot knows to diffuse a situation when outnumbered, not throw blackpowder on it, pun intended. wait, did you say 10-20 assailants? how many bullets did he have? so what was the plan again?

Don’t get me wrong, i support the UCF PD but i also support OPD’s officer who I think remembered his primary goal better then others that day. I will however take leave of my support, at times, to point out obvious problems with some institutions, this is one of those times.

]]> By: V.C.F. http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1220 V.C.F. Wed, 30 Nov 2005 23:15:27 +0000 http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1220 <p>I am constantly reminded how completely spoiled and immature the UCF Student body truly is. Ofc. Jenkins was one of the most tactically trainined, hardworking, honest, and loyal people I have ever met. The "witnesses" to this incident were primarily the same idiots that attacked Mario in the first place. Drunk fools with no concept of decency. The problem is not underage drinking the problem is; when a simple law is enforced, people ATTACK A POLICE OFFICER!!! Mario Jenkins was doing his job flawlessly. I would like to see any stupid piece of shit on here say they wouldn't try to illiminate there attacker when surounded by 10-20 drunk assholes trying to attack you and take your gun after properly identifying yourself as a POLICE OFFICER! As soon as 10-20 people begin attacking a POLICE OFFICER, it steps the crime up from a misdemeanor of the 2nd degree to a Felony. I can't believe that the idiots protesting Mario's actions can't see that. I hope that everyone monday morning quarter backing my friend Mario, finds themself in the same situation one day and I hope that you remember to think about what Mario must have been going through in the last moments of his life. I am dissapointed in the UCF Community as a whole and am ashamed of all who speak without knowing a damn thing about the situation just to voice an opinion which was probably not orignally theirs in the first place. I SUPPORT THE UCF POLICE 100% I think they should write more tickets and arrest more of the student body which opposes them. Stay strong UCFPD there are those of us out here that support you no matter what the people you protect do to spit in your eye after making the greatest sacrifice.</p> I am constantly reminded how completely spoiled and immature the UCF Student body truly is. Ofc. Jenkins was one of the most tactically trainined, hardworking, honest, and loyal people I have ever met. The “witnesses” to this incident were primarily the same idiots that attacked Mario in the first place. Drunk fools with no concept of decency. The problem is not underage drinking the problem is; when a simple law is enforced, people ATTACK A POLICE OFFICER!!! Mario Jenkins was doing his job flawlessly. I would like to see any stupid piece of shit on here say they wouldn’t try to illiminate there attacker when surounded by 10-20 drunk assholes trying to attack you and take your gun after properly identifying yourself as a POLICE OFFICER! As soon as 10-20 people begin attacking a POLICE OFFICER, it steps the crime up from a misdemeanor of the 2nd degree to a Felony. I can’t believe that the idiots protesting Mario’s actions can’t see that. I hope that everyone monday morning quarter backing my friend Mario, finds themself in the same situation one day and I hope that you remember to think about what Mario must have been going through in the last moments of his life. I am dissapointed in the UCF Community as a whole and am ashamed of all who speak without knowing a damn thing about the situation just to voice an opinion which was probably not orignally theirs in the first place.
I SUPPORT THE UCF POLICE 100% I think they should write more tickets and arrest more of the student body which opposes them. Stay strong UCFPD there are those of us out here that support you no matter what the people you protect do to spit in your eye after making the greatest sacrifice.

]]> By: matt http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1129 matt Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:39:32 +0000 http://vaguelyaware.com/2005/09/26/an-open-response-to-president-hitts-letter/#comment-1129 <p>i have to say kyle....since reading "so's" post i do think you are responsible for the problems not only in society as a whole but more specifically in my life and i want to kill myself just to make an impact on your special meter.</p> <p>P.S. - call me after i'm dead....i want to know i died with purpose and made the special meter move (basically my over-competitive spirit shining through)</p> i have to say kyle….since reading “so’s” post i do think you are responsible for the problems not only in society as a whole but more specifically in my life and i want to kill myself just to make an impact on your special meter.

P.S. - call me after i’m dead….i want to know i died with purpose and made the special meter move (basically my over-competitive spirit shining through)

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